and spent it immediately and I didn’t even sign up for their pyramid scheme!! Or do you think they would arrest me and say I filled out a false report? We all know how the government operates.
flower- it is not always true that you get more money back than you put into social security. not only does it depend on how long you live and when you retire, but you are not factoring inflation into the equation. the dollars that the government stole from me were worth far more than the money you get back. the dollar has devalued 95% since the inception of the federal reserve. i do not limit my anger toward social security, i am against all government programs. i believe social security steals more money than it gives back to society, i believe social security is making elderly people poor. before medicare the average elderly family paid less than 2000 dollars a year (adjusted for inflation to 1999 dollars) yet in 1999 the average family spent over 4000 dollars. medicare didnt help old people and neither does social security. do you really think people would just die when they turn 65 if these programs didnt exist?

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Subject: I say this, you stinking fascist maggots! KISS MY FORKING ***! COME GET ME! NOW **** YOU! NOW!

You know Obama wants you to turn me in for telling you Democrats deliberately ran up health care to take over?
That’s right, Obama wants you to turn me in, what do you think they will do to me? I can only say to them, come get some you pieces of crap.

This is against the law in the US, expressly against the law to keep track of free speech and those who spoke it.

The backers of the leftists who are in control now not only deliberately run up health care expenses by turning loose lawyers to sue over any little thing, and making frivolous law suits come with no penalty so people and lawyers just roll the dice all the time in law suits with no down side. Even if there is no merit often medical providers just pay up to save the costs of litigation.

They also deliberately made Medicare and Medicaid easy to steal from, conducive to fraud, to drive up costs.

They also made Medicaid and Medicare available to illegal aliens, and forced Hospitals to treat anyone without recompense from the government who mandated it, to drive up costs. Made it wide spread, and pushed down on the price they pay for treatment, so that the medical providers would have to overcharge those left, especially those without insurance who just get raped.

The democrats also stop legislation that would allow competition between insurance companies in different states, to destroy competition and drive up the cost. There are people living 20 miles from each other, and one has to pay 40% more for the same exact coverage. Why would they do that? The goals are obvious by the obvious target of the results of their actions.

These are all actions the Democrats have taken, which is obviously, in my considered opinion (after years of looking for answers why, coming to light in consideration of these things implemented by the Obama administration) to drive up the cost of health care in the most vile Machiavellian way imaginable, so that they could take over.

And that’s not the only thing. They destroyed the economy using fuel as a weapon to trigger the bomb democrats set up in the mortgage based securities market. When you see what actions they have taken, you can see that plan plain as day.

There is so much more.

Now they are buying off groups like AARP to do things which are totally against their members best interests. As the president is using advirors like Rahm Immanuels brother, Ezekial, Cass Sunstien, and the medical Czar what’s their name? who Each advocate limiting health care to the very old and very young, denying expensive treatments that many old people require, to cut costs way down. These people are sick, and they see people as live stock, but of course all of this wouldn’t apply to Government officials, they are better than us live stock.

They are also using the green movement to help destroy the economy, not because they care about the environment more than anyone else, but in order to destroy the economy and put in their own people, their own Oligarchy as they did with the Auto Companies when they stole them and gave them to their friends, and used our tax money to pump those friends of theirs up.

So much more, you better investigate for yourself and you can’t trust TV or the entertainment industry because they are all thick as thieves and getting your resources as payment, like GE which owns NBC got a big ol government contract and is expecting many more.

They go after everyone, especially media, who speaks out against them and work to ruin them.

They vilify those who don’t agree with them and paint them as evil people.

They say all those who complain are backed by the rich republicans, when that is exactly how the democrats work, sending out Acorn and Unions after AIG executives, driving them by their homes on a bus, making them fear for their lives, and threatening the bond holders of GM debt who were legally in first place into giving up their legal position, same with Chrysler.

It doesn’t matter if you are a republican or democrat, I am neither and I don’t like either. You better start paying attention or your behind will be in the soup, just like everyone else. Look what Obama did to those black DC school kids who had vouchers to get them better and so much safer schooling, he just had them jerked away even though they saved about 40% on education costs and provided excellent education in stead of terribly substandard and dangerous education.

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I currently work for a medical supplier, my boss says that Medicare can just show up unexpectedly and go through a check of what we supply. Is it true that they can just show up unexpectedly without our knowing. Second my boss has me writing his name (not signing) on surveys and checking off on signed surveys that are are blank. Is this a form of fraud? He sends this surveys to an agency that I do not know of.

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I currently work for a medical supplier, my boss says that Medicare can just show up unexpectedly and go through a check of what we supply. Is it true that they can just show up unexpectedly without our knowing. Second my boss has me writing his name (not signing) on surveys and checking off on signed surveys that are are blank. Is this a form of fraud? He sends this surveys to an agency that I do not know of.

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why is it that Medicare fraud is so much higher than private insurance? ANd what can be done to stop this Medicare fraud?

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Is this Social Security Disability Fraud?

My friend is power of attorney for her mother, who is in a nursing home. The mother gets SSD checks every month. My friend used some of the money to pay some of the other bills coming into the house (her mother’s house). Is she bound by law to give all of the SSD money to the nursing home, or can she use it for other bills at her discretion? My friend is responsible for any bills that accrue for her mother, and gets billed by the nursing home.
Where can I find a publication detailing the rules?
I’m NOT accusing my friend of committing fraud. SHE’S concerned, and I just asked the question for her. I am her friend, I am NOT out to get her.
She hasn’t paid ALL of the nursing home bills; they set up a payment agreement with her for the extra that hasn’t been paid.
She just wondered if someone from Medicare was going to act like she had done something wrong because she had paid some other bills besides the nursing home, and now owes the nursing home some money.

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…about turning all health
care over to government?

This is nothing new: it’s been going on for years and years. No doubt it started soon after LBJ signed the Medicare bill into law in the 1960’s. And of course very little is ever done about it. Part of it is error by real medical providers; a small part. Part of it is fraud by real medical providers who commit smaller frauds, expecting to never be caught (and they are largely correct). The huge fraud is crooks……with addresses, internet access, billing forms, etc……….but no doctors, no nurses, no medical devices, nothing but an office space for a few months, then hit the road for another location.

Medicaid fraud is just as bad.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml If you missed 60 Minutes this past Sunday, 10/25, the video and text can be found at this link.

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Looking to help an immigrant senior secure health coverage until he becomes eligible for medicare.

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Lets say you reported insurance fraud to an insurance company, such as Medicare, and they choose to ignore it or not take your claim seriously, even with hard evidence, where can you report them? Or where else can you take your claim?

Also, as a side note, where can you report a doctors office, or a doctor, for misuing his authority to prescribe drugs? And even after talking with him, he doesn’t stop, or doesn’t take your reports seriously?

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I just saw a news item that said little kids, I’m talking 4 yrs. old, were being subjected to root canals. In one case, it was 16 root canals in one session. This was all to get money out of medicare. Why aren’t they being prosecuted for child abuse (torture) as well as fraud? I can’t stop thinking about this, and I can’t stop crying. What kind of monster would do this to a child?

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Let’s just say that doing nothing is not an option. OK

And that Obama-Care is a crappy option that will be hugely expensive, that will steal people’s Medicare Trust Fund, and that will only make a small dent in the problem of the Uninsured.

OK — those are just assumptions for the sake of argument, they are not final conclusions, they are just set up for my question, which is "What Could the Government fo Instead of Obama-Care?"

Here are some possibilities:

1. Very small Federal primary care clinics staffed by 3 or 4 doctors and supervised on a monthly basis by ultra-highly qualified doctors who visit every month or so to make sure the primary care is good or very good. These clinics would be operated on a "Good Samaritan" basis, and on a "Sovereign Immunity" basis, so if mistakes were made the Federal government could not be sued. It could however pay fair and reasonable compensation for gross negligence by the doctors it hired and supervised. Fair and reasonable would be decided by a formula, and by a panel of expert supervising physicians. So these primary care clinics would operated in a limited liability zone — not subject to local state jury trials for medical malpractice, and all patients seeking care in such clinics would have to knowingly sign a waiver of their right to sue. No waiver, no care, back out on the street, no Good Samaritan here to save you, try County General.

These little clinics should number about 10,000. They should basically be in the business of taking the primary care load off emergency rooms. They should do preventative medicine, and help clients get further care as needed. So your basic heart pills, and diabetes pills, and athsma treatments don’t have to be done for 00 in a busy emergecy room, they can be done for in a micro-clinic run by the Federal government. That’s a savings of 5 for each patient. Figure 20 patients a day, 300 days a year, pretty soon you’re talking real money (like 0,000 per year saved for each doctor on the staff). You could actually pay the doctors pretty well out of that saved amount, right? Let’s say 0,000 per year starting salary. You still clear 0,000 of societal savings for each doctor working.

This is all based on the idea that if the government wants there to be more healthcare, it should "just do it"

If the government wants the leaves raked off the White House lawn, it should "just do it"

The doing concept only seems strange in a world where the government has gotten used to writing 16,000 pages of detailed commands and instructions for anything it wants done — so that other people can do it.

I say skip the paperwork — if you want something done — do it! The Doing Concept, part of what made America great.

How about this idea for a second concept: Let the VA Pharmacy fill prescriptions for Vets based on the orders of the Vets’ own doctors, so long as those doctors are: (1) Board Certified (2) America Educated and (3) in Good standing as Physicians (their licenses are fully in operational and valid and current). So there’s no reason whatsoever to imagine that the Vets own doctor is not good enough to write the prescription. OK — then just fill it! It’s like the Just Do It concept.

Don’t fuss, don’t make the vet get a whole new doctor and come into your system, just let them have the benefit of government buying power, so the meds go out to the vet at about 20% of retail which is what the VA pays for them. The VA can charge for postage too.

Again this would be on a "Sovereign Immunity" "Malpractice Waiver" basis so the U.S. government would take no legal risk in this program. No chance of being sued. Fraud is still possible, but liability from lawsuits is not. The fraud can be squeezed out of the system by investigation and relentless prosecution of malfeasors — bad doctors who use their position to cheat Uncle Sam.

These are just two ideas. My basic idea is to take the problem down by layers, starting with the easy layers. More primary care — do it. More meds at fair prices — do it.

It’s the Doing Concept.

Over time this will make the problem smaller. Not vanish — but smaller. Instead of 45 million uninsurables — maybe in 10 years just 25 million. That’s way better than Obama-Care is likely to do. And at 10% of the cost of Obama-Care. And without stealing the Medicare Trust Fund.

It’s better policy because it’s a better value. It impacts the problem at low cost and low risk by using "doing" instead of "commanding" as its method of proceeding. Raking the leaves up, instead of writing a 16,000 page set of commands to get the leaves raked up. Doing — wow there’s a thought!
I have never watched FOX News. I have never read any FOX publication. I never listen to FOX radio.

Any resemblance between anything I say, and anything said on FOX is either coincidental or it arises from FOX people reading my posts (here and elsewhere) picking up the ideas, and making media talk with my ideas, without giving me credit for them, which I don’t mind. I’m with Rabidranath Tagore, the Indian poet, when he said, "Whatever isn’t given … is lost!" So pick my brain,, pick my bones .. it’s all given freely. But it is irritating when people think I get my ideas from FOX. It’s really unjust — a bad rap. The next person who says that should include a quote from FOX that is the paraphrase of what I say in my posts. You have to show that they said it first, then I said it second. Otherwise, I couldn’t possibly be getting my stuff from FOX, you see that, right? Just bring the quotes, or stop the bad rap. Thanks.

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America has been socialist for over a hundred years. We are more socialist then communist China. We take care of our workers, children, senior citizens better. We do a better job of protecting the environment from corporations. We spend billions on social programs. We guarantee public education for the masses, subsidize state owned universities with taxes, spend millions on subsidized loans for students. We got social security, medicare, medicaid, the GI Bill, unemployment insurance, labor rights, laws against corporate fraud, etc, etc. The list goes on.

What reality are you cons living in?
Northern Europeans countries like Denmark, Holland, and Switzerland have some of the highest living standards in the world.

On the far right of the spectrum, you got the backward countries of the middle east. Why is it the most religious and most conservative countries the crappiest places to live in?
To the guy denying America is socialist..

If Democrats are socialists, then America is in fact socialist and only becoming more socialist with every generation. When you have government own schools and universities and government run programs whose purpose is not profit, but the benefit of the people, then said organization/program is socialist. It is owned by the people and run for the benefit of the people.

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Medical Biling Fraud?

I recently attended a consultation with my two sisters and mother with my Mom’s oncology team: seems there is a gene that she carries that could be hereditary, which would elevate our risk of cancer. Anyway, Four of us were present for this "consult"… no clinical work of any kind.
A couple weeks later I received a notice from my insurance company. The Oncology practice billed all three of our insurance companies, and medicare (mom) for a total of 24.00, for a "consultation" which lasted barely 45 minutes. I feel this is an outright abuse of the system. To what entity can I report this?

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why doesn’t he just cut the waste and fraud from Medicare and keep that plan? We seniors like Medicare.
The plan he has will drive us trillions more in debt. He is pretty tricky with his words.
Obama said this..sorry guys.

Having worked in law enforcement and the medical field I know what to do..but thanks for the advice and my hearing is just fine and so is my eyesight..
Thank God I did not vote for this man. I am in agreement with the congressman that spoke out at obamas joint session speech.
You know, lack of respect makes parents look BAD.
YA YA thats true what he says illegals will not receive benefits….BUT…HE IS GOING TO CIRCUMVENT THAT BY LEGALIZING THEM!!! DIG IT???????

HE LIES AND IS VERY DECEITFUL AND HAS NO QUALMES ABOUT IT!
ANOTHER LITTLE ITEM JOE WILSON WAS A MARINE FOR 30 YEARS AND HE HAS FOUR SONS THAT ARE NOW SERVING IN THE MARINES..
MARINES TAKE NO BS. HE DESERVES A MEDAL …APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE…NO WAY.

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at this very moment. And given the general acceptance the fraud has been ongoing for YEARS. Wouldn’t it be prudent to say that the government CANNOT be trusted to run Nationalized Health Care without multibillion dollars worth of fraud in the future?

This is in continuence to a question I posted earlier:
(How do you "squeeze" 35 billion from a system (Medicare)that is going bankrupt? )

With ALL of this in mind would you agree that if the fraud were stopped YEARS ago we probably wouldn’t be in such a state of "crisis" at this time.

So why would we believe politicians, who will by all measures be history in a few years, to create yet ANOTHER Socialized system that has the potential for even greater fraud.

Why can they NOT fix the problem they’ve helped to create over the years? Why are they attempting to add another?
Why will my kids live in poverty the rest of their lives to pay off a debt to a communistic country that we’ve borrowed money from to continue the fraud and debauchery of our politicians?

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/ActuarialStudies/downloads/MedicaidReport2008.pdf

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/ReportsTrustFunds/

http://www.actuary.org/pdf/socialsecurity/ss_future.pdf

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Using the Yahoo backbone the passport, drivers license, medicare card, birth certificate,bank information was being used to change the ID of my child. The Australian Commonwealth, has used its vast power to support this identification abuse and fraud and now that they have been caught doing it by using pen registers and other sniffing techniques they are running for cover of diplomatic immunity. Hey the ID work was so good that I have on record the Australian Police asking what I am doing with someones passport. They had no idea that the cyber was on the computer of a three year old, which was in 10 county court, Parkwood, QLD, in the house of a Gold Coast City council water department employees houe. This guy was then reported to the police in Southport as having recieved a change of ID fraud with some NSW people. Can you imagine this? The police have decide to do nothing!!! The goverment is complict in kidnap. Do you think that a KIDNAP should reamin uninvestigated.

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where do l report medical insurance fraud?

l asked about this company before and it went into community while l was dozing. l lost the opportunity to thank the agent who warned me they "sometimes" use deceptive practices.

The company is WellCare/Coordinated Care Plans. They sure did on me. They sent a "new, inexperienced" rep "who couldn’t answer our questions, would find out" "but why don’t we just sign since she’s here?" "she’ll be sure to get back to us" Oh yea!!!

So l just found out l will lose Medicare coverage on July 1, OR
my excellent physicians, OR pay them out-of-pocket + pay Medicare premiums!!!

l am SO angry.
l tried to opt out over phone. They won’t speak to you unless you can provide an I.D. #. . Not way. Ditto email.
SO YOU CAN’T CANCEL until you get an ID #, which of course will come only AFTER medicare discontinues.

DECEPTIVE or what?
And this is aimed at an aged and disabled population with enough troubles already.

SO WHERE DO l REPORT THIS besides Medicare (already done)?

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then why doesn't he fix the fraud and abuse that he admits are in medicare and medicaid, before offering another massive program ?

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I really don't agree with either program unless they can be revamped and only go to those who truly need it but like any government program both are full of fraud and mishandling but I digress.

Anyway why would he cut one and increase the other? Could it have something to do with one is predominately single women with young children (Medicaid) and the other is predominately senior citizens (Medicare)?

What kind of message is this sending to the older generation?

Actually I am surprised that AARP is not all over this one, never mind, I forgot it is primarily a liberal organization.
I have seen people on medicaid that don't need it because there job offers health insurance but they don't want to spend any money on it so they oft for the free government assistance.

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I hear politicans saying things like "most people are happy with medicare" when pushing for Universal healthcare.

Medicare is going to be bankrupt within the very near future. Medicare spends hundreds of billionis a year and studies have shown around 44% of that money is fraudulant in terms of people billing for no services just to pocket money. Though I'm not on it I've also heard old people say they aren't happy with it, it doesnt' cover many things.

How can they say this is a good model when tens of billions of dollars a year go to fraud, and its going to be bankrupt? This is getting off on another topic but what has the governmetn run effectively? Certainly not social secuirity or medicare?
Jake, you didn't address any of the issues I brought up, you just disagreed with me. Typical liberal argument.
Peggy, another typical lib. If your solution isn't the best one then well there isn't any other. Romney has everyone in his state getting healthcare, there's less fraud, people are happy with it and its not going bankrupt. There are other solutions than your liberal solutions.

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A History Lesson:

1. In 1913, thinking it was being overcharged by the steel companies for armor plate for warships, the federal government decided to build its own plant. It estimated that a plant with a 10,000-ton annual capacity could produce armor plate for only 70% of what the steel companies charged.

When the plant was finally finished, however — three years after World War I had ended — it was millions over budget and able to produce armor plate only at twice what the steel companies charged. It produced one batch and then shut down, never to reopen.

2. Or take Medicare. Other than the source of its premiums, Medicare is no different, economically, than a regular health-insurance company. But unlike, say, UnitedHealthcare, it is a bureaucracy-beclotted nightmare, riven with waste and fraud. Last year the Government Accountability Office estimated that no less than one-third of all Medicare disbursements for durable medical equipment, such as wheelchairs and hospital beds, were improper or fraudulent. Medicare was so lax in its oversight that it was approving orthopedic shoes for amputees.

3. When the federal government nationalized the phone system in 1917, justifying it as a wartime measure that would lower costs, it turned it over to the Post Office to run. (The process was called "postalization," a word that should send shivers down the back of any believer in free markets.) But despite the promise of lower prices, practically the first thing the Post Office did when it took over was . . . raise prices.

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Insurance fraud??

I provide insurance for my daughter who i dont have custody of. I recently found out that her mother has never used the insurance. I am most certain she is using state medicare insurance for her. I have proof she has received the insurance card with signature.
Is this grounds to persue insurance fraud on her mother? If so what are the consequences of this?
OOPS lol Medicaid!

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Right now, there is a lot of fraud for billing insurance companies, medicaid, and medicare for procedures that were not done or were not needed. Insurance companies spend 20-30% of their revenue making sure the procedures ordered are valid.

If all medical professionals were on a fair plan of compensation instead of making a profit from procedures that they billed the incentive to commit fraud or order unnecessary procedures would be totally eliminated, wouldn't it?

Then, evaluate them and compensate them on whether they are making their patients healthier or not.

Doesn't this make sense?
Vastright, I used medicaid and medicare in my example. The problem is in the way people are compensated. We use private doctors to run a government funded program and they abuse it. If they were salaried government workers they would have no what of profiting from cheating.
Medicaid and medicare are the most efficient health care programs we have. But they are still subject to abuse for the reasons I have given.

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Mom says that about one-third of Medicare, for instance, is overcharges and fraud that the U.S. Congress approves. Our government is a huge wasteful, out-of-touch bunch of crooks, says mom. I believe mom, she knows what is going on.

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The Law/Chiropractors & possible insurance fraud?

I would like to know if anyone can help me with this.I believe this local chiropractor is committing illegal acts/possible ins. fraud,etc & since he preaches that he is a Christian chiropractor & religion all day long,if he is in fact committing fraud or illegal activity-I think he should be exposed.Here are things he is currently doing 1-He is the only licensed chiro on staff-he fired his Physical Therapist(PT)a few weeks ago & hired a"preacher(no joke) to assist the patients w/PT(yet he bills ins. companies for the therapies,shouldn't "he the licensed Dr. have to actually do the therapies to bill for them?")He also hired a lady who wants to be a chiro but does not have a license yet-she does all the exams,x-rays & expensive tests & HE DOES NOT take part-yet he bills the ins. company(isn't that ins. fraud?).The expensive tests are only performed on people who have ins.that covers them not on cash pts or medicare pts (theydontpay)He insists they are necessary to the ins. patients.
More details-Although the wanna be chiro lady is not allowed to do"adjustments"on patients-I have seen her put her hands on pts. when nobody else is around & the Dr. lets her "rent" out his office for her own use on the weekend so obviously she is acting like a chiro when nobody else is around. I belive she has a doctorate degree so he has people call her Dr,but she is not licensed so isn't that giving people false ideas about what she can or cannot do? Does anyone know for sure if she is allowed to be performing therapeutic tests, muscles tests, x-rays,re-exams, etc,to patients & then he is allowed to bill the ins. company for it (under his name & tax id # since obviously he cannot bill them saying she performed these services so he bills as if he did them).Also,this other guy sometimes does the muscle tests & therapies & he has NO EXPERIENCE whatsoever,isn't this all illegal?Who do I contact first about this?Besides the ins.companies?DO I contact the board of chiro,the AMA,theDA,who?
I know all of this because I worked as a secretary in this office and all of this crazy stuff started happening in recent months,I was told she was Dr. & just awaiting her chiro license & was required to call her Dr.Then another girl int he office told me she was not a licensed Dr. Then I started asking questions & not understanding if something illegal was going on & suddenly I was out of a job (loyal worker for almost 6 months-only took 1 day off ever),I was told the hours I was originally hired to work have changed & if I want to keep my job I must work 12 hours a day 3 days a week and work 8-9 hours the other 2 days & they were not willing to pay overtime (another girl who works there gets over 40 hrs. per week & does not get paid overtime-they pay her extra hrs. as abonus to "get over") Anyway,I was hired to work 30 hrs. per week-I have a child & they knew these "new" crazy hours were not possible for me so I was terminated-I think it was because I Knew too much, asking ???'s

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